In the Spring 2015 General Conference of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Dieter F. Uchtdorf, 2nd Counselor in the First Presidency gave a remarkable talk on the subject of Grace and Salvation. This talk was surprising to some because it appeared to take a much more liberal position in favor of grace over works in the doctrine of Mormon salvation. Much like the recent interview with Elder Christofferson on the issue of supporting gay marriage, it is necessary to closely examine the language that was used in the sermon in order to understand the real significance of its message.
Soteriology
[toc]Soteriology is the study of religious doctrines of salvation. By examining the scriptural and prophetic guidance given about salvation, one can make certain determinations about what would be required in order to achieve this ultimate state. This goal is the highest thing to which a human can aspire. It has been the primary focus of religion to instruct men and women on how to achieve that state – they are in fact the only authority on the matter.
Religions, such as Mormonism, which take an exclusive attitude in this regard teach that it is their prescription alone which can bring a soul to God’s approbation.
Mormonism: Faith & Works
The question of what specific pre-requisites fulfill the requirements of salvation in Christian religions has long centered around the issues of Faith vs. Works. Religions which give Faith primacy in this regard focus on a sincere declaration of belief in Christ and God as the only strict requirement, while those that preach Works hold that obedience or a sincere attempt at obedience to God’s Laws are essential to being justified before God.
I have had numerous discussions with faithful Mormons over the past year and have heard conflicting opinions on exactly what official mormon doctrine is in this regard. The majority opinion has been that Mormons have a hybrid position where it is faith which entitles one to the Grace of God which cleanses you of sin, but only after “all that you can do” – meaning that one must perform labors or works in keeping God’s commandments to be entitled to that Grace. This is usually initially supported by James 2:20 “…faith without works is dead.”
The third Article of Faith declares works to be a conditional requirement for salvation from sin and effects of sin:
“We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.” (lds.org)
We also see LDS leaders teach this from the pulpit – from the earliest days of the Church where Heber C Kimball taught “It matters not how much faith you have got, except you have works with it. ” ((A sermon simply titled “Salvation by works” Journal of Discourses Vol 9:75, archive.org)) all the way to recent years where in 2008 Apostle Russell M Nelson taught:
“People may also be saved from individual spiritual death through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, by their faith in Him, by living in obedience to the laws and ordinances [works] of His gospel, and by serving Him.”
(“Salvation and Exaltation” 2008 Spring conference, lds.org)
Mormons have great confidence in attaching the performance of works to salvation because of their modern revealed scripture which they give primacy over the bible. In the Book of Mormon, the prophet Nephi states:
“For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.”
(2 Nephi 25:23, lds.org)
You will frequently hear Mormons invoke “after all we can do” as a companion to grace by faith because of this scripture.
What is “all we can do?”
2 Nephi 25:23 begs the question – what is all we can do? Mormon leaders in recent years have provided us with the answer:
“And what is “all we can do”? It surely includes repentance (see Alma 24:11) and baptism, keeping the commandments, and enduring to the end. Moroni pleaded, “Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ”
(“Have You Been Saved?” Dallin H Oaks, April 1998 General Conference, lds.org)
In providing this instruction, Apostle Oaks is clearly attaching the performance of works (i.e. obedience to commandments, performance of ordinances, etc.) to the concept of “all we can do”
Uchtdorf: Faith alone?
In his Easter 2015 talk, 2nd Counsellor Uchtdorf addresses this concept head on and, in effect, seems to redefine “all we can do” to mean something different than a casual reading of the text implies or that past LDS leaders have taught:
“I wonder if sometimes we misinterpret the phrase “after all we can do”. We must understand that “after” does not equal “because”. We are not saved because of all that we can do. Have any of us done all that we can do? Does God wait until we have expended every effort before he will intervene in our lives with His saving grace? Many people feel discouraged because they constantly fall short. They know first hand that the spirit indeed is willing but the flesh is weak. They raise their voices with Nephi in proclaiming “my soul grieveth because of mine iniquities” I’m certain Nephi knew the Savior’s grace allows and enables us to overcome sin. this is why Nephi labored so diligently to persuade his children and brethren to believe in Christ and to be reconciled to God. After all, that is what we can do and that is our task in mortality.”
(Dieter F. Uchtdorf, 5 April 2015, general conference.)
In making this distinction, Uchtdorf is stating that a belief in God and reconciliation with God are all that we can do. This sounds very faith centered and actually, as we will see, sounds very familiar to flavors of protestant Christianity which favor faith as the means to grace.
What of works, Uchtdorf?
Uchtdorf also makes a more impressive statement on the role of works – i.e. obedience to Gods commandments:
“Salvation cannot be bought with the currency of obedience – it is purchased by the blood of the Son of God. Thinking that we can trade our good works for salvation is like buying a plane ticket and then supposing that we own the airline or thinking that after paying rent for our home, we now hold title to the entire planet earth.”
(Dieter F. Uchtdorf, 5 April 2015, general conference.)
This message seems to be a total departure from the instructions previously quoted by Nelson and Oaks – which tied works inseparably to salvation. His imagery of one purchasing a ticket and comparing that with owning the entire airline is vivid and pays homage to his personal history as a celebrated airline pilot. Uchtdorf continues to explain the role that works play in a Mormons road to salvation:
“If grace is a gift of God, why then is obedience to God’s commandments so important? Why bother with God’s commandments or repentance for that matter? Why not just admit we are sinful and let God save us? Or to put the question in Paul’s words, “Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?” Paul’s answer is simple and clear: “God Forbid.” Brothers and sisters we obey the commandments of God out of love for Him. Trying to understand God’s gift of grace with all our heart and mind gives us all the more reasons to love and obey our Heavenly Father with meekness and gratitude. As we walk the path of discipleship it refines us it improves us it helps us to become more like Him and it leads us back to His presence. The Spirit of the Lord our God brings about such a mighty change in us that we have no more disposition to do evil but to do good continually. Therefore, our obedience to God’s commandments comes as a natural outgrowth of our endless love and gratitude of the goodness of God. This form of genuine love and gratitude will miraculously merge our works with God’s grace, virtue will garnish our thoughts unceasingly and our confidence will wax strong in the presence of God.”
(Deiter F. Uchtdorf, 5 April 2015, general conference.)
Here Uchtdorf disconnects works completely from being a causative element of salvation and places it in the category of being an effect of the transformation that God’s grace grants those who have faith. This is a Protestant Biblical Christian sermon on salvation by faith and grace alone being given to a Mormon audience, perhaps for the first time ever in such bold explicit terms.
Except, that it isn’t. You have to pay attention to certain words and definitions that are specific to Mormonism to understand that Uchtdorf is playing a game with the wider Christian world’s own definition of salvation and that of Mormonism.
Salvation vs. Exaltation
In his remarkable essay “Politics and the English Language” George Orwell describes the use of words which have variable definition as a means to hide real meaning:
“Words of this kind are often used in a consciously dishonest way. That is, the person who uses them has his own private definition, but allows his hearer to think he means something quite different.”
(“Politics and the English Language” George Orwell, archive.org)
We have recent acknowledgement that the church has a history of doing this very thing. The LDS.org essay on “Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo” states that during his life, Church leaders issued “carefully worded denials” about Joseph Smith’s teaching and practice of plural marriage – citing a proprietary definition (see footnote 22 in that essay). By using a private definition of “polygamy” the church hid the truth from the world and lay members.
Uchtdorf is doing this very thing in this sermon. He talks in broad terms of “salvation” without ever defining what he means by it. The fact that “salvation” can have many different definitions was made by Dallin H Oaks in the spring 1998 conference when he stated “As Latter-day Saints use the words saved and salvation,there are at least six different meanings.” ((https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1998/04/have-you-been-saved)). Oaks goes on to make an important distinction that must be kept in mind when reviewing Elder Uchtdorf’s comments.
“Finally, in another usage familiar and unique to Latter-day Saints, the words saved and salvation are also used to denote exaltation or eternal life (see Abr. 2:11). This is sometimes referred to as the “fulness of salvation” (Bruce R. McConkie, The Mortal Messiah, 4 vols. [1979–81], 1:242). This salvation requires more than repentance and baptism by appropriate priesthood authority. It also requires the making of sacred covenants, including eternal marriage, in the temples of God, and faithfulness to those covenants by enduring to the end. ”
(“Have You Been Saved”, Dallin H Oaks, 1998 Spring Conference, lds.org)
Nowhere in Uchtdorf’s sermon does he mention the Mormon doctrinal concept of Exaltation. He simply uses the term Salvation, not otherwise specified. To non-mormon Christians listening to this sermon, and indeed to many Mormons who have not studied the key differences between the terms “salvation” and “exaltation” – they will hear a message that is not a reflection of the true Mormon doctrine of earthly requirements for full divine approbation.
If you ask a non-mormon or Biblical Christian what it means to be saved – they will likely tell you that it is to be found guiltless before God and be received into His presence by the Grace of Christ. That is it. That’s heaven.
If you ask a Mormon what it means to be saved – they will have to explain a bit. You see, there are three heavens – Telestial, Terrestrial and Celestial. The highest kingdom, Celestial, has three levels within it. All of these kingdoms are “heaven” but some of them aren’t really heaven – for example, an unrepentant rapist or murderer would go to the Telestial Kingdom((http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Telestial_Kingdom)). Most non-Mormons would reserve Hell for such, but Mormons still call this lowest kingdom a degree of Heaven. Definitions matter. The requirements for each of these kingdoms vary.
If you want to compare “salvation” between Mormons and Biblical Christians you must make sure that you are comparing as close to “apple to apples” as possible. To a Christian salvation is entering to the presence of God and receiving all that he has promised for eternity. To a Mormon, this is most closely analogous to exaltation.
To be clear – because they define these terms differently, to find the closest comparison between the two you must compare the Mormon concept of Exaltation with the Biblical Christian Concept of Salvation.
Using Uchtdorf’s analogy – basic salvation is just the ticket – exaltation is the airline. Biblical Christians don’t have a concept of just a ticket. For them, the only thing is the airline.
Rhetoric versus Requirement
Dissecting and parsing the rhetoric that is bantered about by Church leaders to ascertain the requirements of salvation is an elusive thing. Each leader may pick and choose what definition they wish to employ for various vague terms and the reader is left straining for certainty when the apparently conflicting messages can cause confusion.
Another way to analyze the question of what mormon doctrine declares is necessary for full salvation is simply to look at what is expected of every member. Examine the tangible and concrete requirements that make up the road to salvation.
The Mormon pathway to salvation and justification before God includes the following specific requirements – pay close attention to the distinction between “salvation” and “exaltation”:
Salvation
- Salvation can be divided into 2 parts – being saved from spiritual death and being saved from physical death.
- Salvation from physical death is a free gift to all and requires no works or effort. It is accomplished completely by the grace and sacrifice of Christ – through the resurrection. This qualifies you for resurrection and at least the lowest of the three kingdoms of glory – the Telestial kingdom.
- Salvation from spiritual death (or separation from God) can be accomplished through the grace of Christ – by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel. Faith alone without these laws and ordinances will not qualify you for salvation.
- The laws and ordinances of the gospel are:
- Faith in Jesus Christ
- Repentance
- Baptism
- Gift of the Holy Ghost.
- Keeping those laws qualifies you for at least the Terrestrial Kingdom.
Exaltation
- Exaltation is the highest state of happiness and glory in the Celestial Kingdom. There are additional requirements to achieve this state
Those requirements are to((see the section on “Requirements for Exaltation” in the Gospel Principles manual)):
- Stay faithful to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel listed above.
- Receive the Melchizedek Priesthood (if you are male)
- Receive certain temple ordinances (more on this later)
- Be married in the temple
- Love your neighbors
- Keep the commandments
- Continually repent
- Attend church meetings/take sacrament
- Strengthen your family
- Daily prayer
- Share the gospel
- Scripture study
- Follow the prophet
- Receive the holy ghost
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Since Temple attendance is required then you must be able to pass the temple recommend interview to show that you are worthy to enter the temple. This means you must truthfully answer and pass these requirements((Temple Recommend Interview Questions – Available from the church here and here)):
- Have faith in and testimony of Jesus, God and the Holy Ghost
- Have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ
- Have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel (this means that you must believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet and called by God and believe in the Book of Mormon, D&C and Pearl of Great Price and all subsequent LDS doctrine)
- Sustain the current Prophet and all church leaders
- Live the law of chastity (no sex outside of marriage)
- Live family relations in keeping with church teachings
- Not support or affiliate with people or groups that are not in agreement with church teachings
- Try to attend church meetings and live the gospel.
- Be honest
- Pay 10% of your annual increase to the church (tithing)
- Keep the Word of Wisdom (no tobacco, coffee, alcohol, tea, illegal drugs; eat meat sparingly)
- Pay any child support owed
- Wear temple garments night and day
- Confess serious sins to church authorities
- Feel worthy to enter the temple
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Since the temple endowmentis required for exaltation,then you must fulfill the commitments that are part of that ceremony. This includes:
- Being washed and anointed
- Covenanting to obey the “Law of Obedience” where women promise to obey the law of the lord and to harken unto their husbands as they harken unto God, and men promise to harken unto God.
- Covenanting to obey the “Law of Sacrifice” where you must promise to sacrifice all that you possess, even your life if necessary, to the sustaining and defending the kingdom of God (the LDS church).
- Covenanting to obey the “Law of the Gospel” – avoiding loud laughter, lightmindedness, speaking ill of fellow members, using the name of the Lord in vain and any other impure practice.
- Covenanting to obey the “Law of Chastity” (no sex outside marriage).
- Covenanting to obey the “Law of Consecration” promising yourself, your time, talents and all that God has or will blessed you with to the LDS church.
- Receiving and keeping new names, signs (hand signals) and tokens (handshakes) with special symbolic significance.
If someone is able to achieve all of this and continue to do so while “enduring to the end”, then they will receive exaltation in the highest degree of glory – the Celestial Kingdom. According to Mormon theology they will have the benefit of having all that God has, Being a God themselves and having their own spirit children to raise, just as our God has us.
Exaltation is “the airline” to a faithful Mormon. This Exaltation or “Fullness of Salvation” is not what Elder Uchtdorf is talking about in his sermon. The price of the Airline includes all of the works described above. Uchtdorf doesn’t bother to mention this.
Recap
Long Story short – to a Mormon salvation can be a general term that encompasses any degree of glory. The lowest of these may be achieved by grace alone and the term ‘salvation’ may be applied to that. This is the idea of Salvation that Uchtdorf is referring to in his sermon. That is “The Ticket.”
Exaltation is obtaining the highest degree of glory. This requires obedience to the many laws and ordinances [works] listed above – as well as constant repentance and enduring to the end. That is “The Airline”
If you ask a Mormon what it means to be saved – they will have to explain a bit. More likely than not, they will not lay out all the requirements as I have listed them above. They take a “milk before meat” approach and will likely keep things simple focusing on Faith in Christ and Love. For a Mormon, that is where it starts, but as you can see above – that is not where the story ends.
For a Mormon living the religion day to day – how frequently do you think that leaders teach that basic salvation is really all they need to strive for? That “the ticket” is good enough. I never heard such a sermon in my 38 years as an active faithful Mormon. Exaltation was the only goal worth striving for. The Airline was the goal. The price I was expected to pay was far beyond the simple message that Uchtdorf describes in his sermon.
Conclusion
I have no doubt that sacrament meetings, firesides and blogposts will abound in praise of Elder Uchtdorf’s 2015 Easter sermon on Grace.
As a Mormon, if you read his words and think he is talking about exaltation in the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom living in eternity with your family in the full capacity of a God with your own dominion you would likely feel a rush of relief. All the stress you have been feeling about fulfilling callings, attending meetings, watching games on sunday, looking at unclothed shoulders, gossiping – it would all melt away and you would simply focus your spiritual energy on understanding and accepting Christ’s love in your life – trusting that as you did so, those other things would naturally follow. In that case the burden and yoke would be light, just as Jesus taught.
Unfortunately, that is not the case. There has been no retraction of over a century of sermons on the requirements of works for the “fullness of salvation” (a.k.a exaltation). The third Article of Faith is still in effect. The Book of Mormon has not been revised. The temple and all its ordinances have not been disavowed. Uchtdorf was simply referring to Salvation in a lower kingdom.
As a non-Mormon reading his sermon you would likely start to see your Mormon friends as not so different from yourself. The familiar language will make Mormonism even more enticing to Biblical Christians who are introduced to this limited view of Mormon Soteriology. Since new converts don’t go to the Temple till at least a year after joining the church, then they will not even be made aware of the specifics of the additional requirements for the “fullness of salvation” till they have already invested significant time, money and ego into the organization.
Do not be confused. Elder Uchtdorf’s sermon is only talking about the price of the ticket – not the airline.
P.S.
A searching reader pointed out that since Elder Uchtdorf stated “This form of genuine love and gratitude will miraculously merge our works with God’s grace, virtue will garnish our thoughts unceasingly and our confidence will wax strong in the presence of God” That he must be talking about exaltation in the Celestial Kingdom because it is there that we can enjoy the presence of God.
That is a hopeful thought, but one for which there is a linguistic loophole for. The term God also has many definitions – in Mormon theology it can refer to God the Father or God the Son – Christ. The Gospel Fundamentals manual teaches the following about the Terrestrial Kingdom:
“The Terrestrial Kingdom
This kingdom is not as wonderful as the celestial kingdom. Even though Jesus will visit the terrestrial kingdom, those who live there will not live with our Father in Heaven, and they will not have all He has. Those who go to the terrestrial kingdom will be honorable people. Some of them will be members of the Church, and others will not. They will be those who did not accept Jesus on earth but later accepted Him in the spirit world. The people who will live there will not be part of an eternal family but will live separately, without families. Our Father in Heaven will give these people the happiness they are prepared to receive.”
(“Chapter 36: Eternal Life” Gospel Fundamentals, lds.org)
As a result, Uchtdorf’s statement may still only apply to the case of basic salvation and not exaltation. Since the numerous other requirements that all prior sermons and lesson manuals have set on exaltation are also not listed, we are compelled to take “the presence of God” to mean the presence of Christ in the Terrestrial Kingdom – the highest kingdom for basic salvation.
Appendix: Past LDS Views on grace vs Works
LDS leaders have had some different views on the grace vs works issue:
“One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God; that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation”
(Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 206)
Then there is:
“This second greatest truth is that Christ worked out this infinite and eternal atoning sacrifice so that all men are raised in immortality and those who believe and obey are raised also unto eternal life. Now the opposite of that is the second greatest heresy in all Christendom, and the opposite is that men are saved by some kind of lip service, by the grace of God supposedly, without work and without effort on their part.”
(Bruce R. McConkie, “The Seven Deadly Heresies,” an address given at Brigham Young University on June 1, 1980. Transcribed from actual speech).
and also:
“Even that grace of God promised in the scriptures comes only ‘after all we can do’”
(Boyd K. Packer, “The Brilliant Morning of Forgiveness,” Ensign, November 1995 (Conference Edition), p. 19).
And
“This grace is an enabling power that allows men and women to lay hold on eternal life and exaltation after they have expended their own best efforts. Divine grace is needed by every soul in consequence of the fall of Adam and also because of man’s weaknesses and shortcomings. However, grace cannot suffice without total effort on the part of the recipient. Hence the explanation, ‘It is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do’ (2 Ne. 25:23)”
(LDS Bible Dictionary, p. 697).
Finally:
“For example, some of our friends can’t see how our Atonement beliefs relate to our beliefs about becoming more like our Heavenly Father. Others mistakenly think our church is moving toward an understanding of the relationship between grace and works that draws on Protestant teachings. Such misconceptions prompt me to consider today the Restoration’s unique Atonement doctrine”
(Bruce Hafen, “The Atonement: All for All,” Ensign (Conference Edition), May 2004, p. 97).




I know it’s common to think of “the Lord’s Anointed” as the leaders, but that’s not the wording in the endowment and the 12 and other GA’s are not anointed to their calling. All who have been endowed have been anointed. While I used to interpret “the Lord’s Anointed” as the leaders, I now prefer to see it as not engaging in gossip about fellow members.
Otherwise, you are correct. But I wonder if Uchtdorf is trying to soften the doctrine.
Excellent point Martie. I really like that observation. I will update the post.
Excellent observation about “the Lord’s Anointed”, Martie. Thanks for that. If we are not speaking specifically about the Savior (the Messiah, capitalized), then we are speaking of those who have made temple covenants and still qualify through consecration (Lev 11:44 [Heb. qadash]; Matt 5:48)
I think President Uchtdorf is trying to clear up members’ misconceptions about what the word “honorable” means with regards to heirs of the Terrestrial Kingdom, and what “heirs of salvation” means with regards to the Telestial Kingdom.
Typo: many of the Uchtdorf citations say 2005 instead of 2015.
thanks! fixed 🙂
Brilliant post. (As always!) I am continually amazed at the quality, depth and timeliness of your output! Thank you, Thinker of Thoughts!
Isn’t it true that those who are blessedly destined (doomed?) to a telestial existence — or to the state of existence we now enjoy — receive this opportunity by simply looking unto Christ, believing in Him and being baptized?
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/search?lang=eng&query=believeth+baptized&x=0&y=0
That’s the “ticket” to “salvation”, is it not? The opportunity to continue in (or return to) this mortal endeavor, to experience physical existence, worlds without end?
To be “saved” — or to have the chance to live again and “never die” — only requires following God, the Creator, and the Son of God (or physical manifestation of God in this life) by looking unto Him who is the brazen serpent lifted up. The key to endless lives is to look unto Christ.
There are many who will not look. Like those in Moses’ day who hardened their hearts, there are those, even today, who will not look unto Christ nor submit to His most basic requirement to continue to live: believe and be “born again” — be “baptized” in water, blood and spirit. It’s a simple formula really. Follow it and you get to “re-matriculate” as often as you wish (until the end). This is “salvation” from death, in the physical sense. But no doubt each time you “matriculate”, you start from the beginning, growing as you do “from grace to grace”, until you are “received”.
This process is real and on-going, but very dangerous, for he who comes here and gets “lost”, committing sins and leading others astray, for him it would have been better to be drowned in the depths of sea rather than to commit such sin…because he once knew better…and condescended…and then lost it all.
Does this not explain why the devil and his angels are incorporeal? They will not follow the Son. They do not have faith in Him. Consequently they cannot repent. They cannot be “baptized” unto repentance, neither in flesh nor blood nor spirit. Thus they cannot be saved. Worlds without end, because the spirit that hardens their hearts against Him persists with them still.
What of those who, given the chance, do not follow and obey Him here? Are they not also “doomed” to “hell”, until they learn the error of their ways, being “damned” until they “bow the knee” and “confess with their tongues” that Jesus is the Christ, the One who has power (or intelligence) to beget life and worlds? Once they exercise such faith, then follows for them an invitation to experience a telestial existence — where all murderers, adulterers and the unrepentant go — that they might “work out their salvation with fear and trembling”. (Do we not yet see who we really are? Or who we have been?)
That’s the promise.
Those who receive Jesus and repent here are promised greater “glory”, even a terrestrial existence (as they “climb”). But they, too, can be deceived, and fall short.
Why would anyone come to this world, or to a world such as this one, to suffer and mourn? Because intelligence is gained in no other way. Mastery. Self-control. Compassion. Charity.
Why would the disembodied — or those who dwell in glory — willingly come to a “hell” such as this?
Because they need to.
What if they don’t come?
Then they are damned (stopped in their progress and perfection). They would, in fact, become as “angels in heaven” who have “set up too many stakes” to reach the perfection of God. They would “rest on their laurels” and be content in their realm of existence, with their powers and glories, mights and dominions. It is condescension to come here…and few who have climbed so far are willing to make the sacrifice again and take the risk of falling — and, perchance, lose all that they have gained.
But he who will “save” his life (after the manner of the Son, and obtain the highest degree of existence) shall “lose” it, while he who “loses” his life for Christ’s sake shall “find” it.
We fall when we sin. And we sin by nature of being born into this world, gaining experience. By grace we are granted opportunity to reconcile our imperfection with God through the atonement of Christ (who is perfect), being made “perfect” again in and through Him. This is the power of the Son unto all those who will receive it. If we believe, are baptized, and continue to receive grace for grace, until the perfect day, enduring to the end, we will become one with God.
What is grace? Surely it is the dropping of rain on both the wicked and the righteous. It is also being lifted from the pit without any effort on the part of the one so rescued. We are commanded to show such grace, even seventy times seven, forgiving all who trespass against us.
But is grace not also the dropping of a ladder into the pit so that the soul otherwise doomed might escape? Cannot the “rescued” be required to climb the ladder by faith? Is not the provenance of the ladder grace itself, sufficient? Otherwise, would not God be unjust, saving some while condemning others? (Are we not all sinners? Then we must all repent.) Is it not justice with God that all who would be saved must receive grace by climbing up the ladder that has been provided?
Again, let us be reminded, what is “required” to be “saved”? From physical death, it is merely to believe and be baptized with water, blood and spirit. But to be saved from spiritual death — to become one with God and no longer be separated from Him — requires coming unto Christ, receiving Him, becoming unseverably attached to Him, be “sealed” to Him, while endeavoring to become like Him, taking up one’s cross and following Him.
Consequently, it requires knowing Him.
You wrote:
“As a Mormon, if you read his [Uchtdorf’s] words and think he is talking about exaltation in the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom living in eternity with your family in the full capacity of a God with your own dominion you would likely feel a rush of relief. All the stress you have been feeling about fulfilling callings, attending meetings, watching games on sunday, looking at unclothed shoulders, gossiping – it would all melt away and you would simply focus your spiritual energy on understanding and accepting Christ’s love in your life – trusting that as you did so, those other things would naturally follow. In that case the burden and yoke would be light, just as Jesus taught.”
I ask you, Thinker of Thoughts: Do you understand and accept Christ’s love in your life now, trusting that, as you do so, those other things — the things that lead to “exaltation” and “oneness” with God — will naturally follow? Do you believe in Christ? Is His image yet engraven on your countenance?
I hope, dear brother, that it is.
There you have it. Mormons are not Christian, and Christians are not
Mormons. Well said.
I disagree. He is specifically making the point that there is nothing that we can do that could compare to the grace we are provided from any standpoint. Telex tail or celestial our works Are a drop in the bucket and therefore can’t ever be a factor in our salvation or our exaltation.
Yeah nothing new, Paul said it long ago “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.” as well as Isaiah “all our righteous acts are like filthy rags”.
All We Can Do
“I am certain Nephi knew that the Savior’s grace ALLOWS AND ENABLES US TO OVERCOME SIN. This is why Nephi labored so diligently to persuade his children and brethren “to
believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God.””
After all, that is what we can do! And THAT IS OUR TASK IN MORTALITY!
Question: Do you really think you are going to overcome sin in mortality?
Excellent analysis of President Uchtdorf’s Passover talk. your documentation is largely apropos, honorable, and fairly presented.
There are a few assumptions that lead to false negative conclusions – using the term “false negative” in the sense of medical laboratory testing, and with no intent to suggest dishonesty at all.
ERROR 1. The Trinitarian Christian wants to be perfect like the Father, be one in Jesus and the Father, and/or sit on the throne with the Savior and the Father – although all of those are clear & direct biblical injunctions by the Lord to his faithful servants. This false assumption leads to the conclusion that honorable Trinitarian Christians will be disappointed and unhappy to spend eternity in the Terrestrial kingdom of God, enjoying the presence of Jesus Christ.
ERROR 2. Mormons in general are fully conversant with the Gospel of Jesus Christ as represented in the scriptures (OT, NT, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and book of Abraham and Moses.) While we teach and urge our members to prayerfully study the scriptures, the teachings of living prophets, and seek personal revelation from God, most of us are heavily influenced by the media, our temporal education, and publications by Mormon scholars – all of which leads to generalized confusion in our church, just as is does in most churches of every persuasion. The false conclusion is that what you hear when you talk with LDS folks is a wide range of understanding and misunderstanding.
ERROR 3. Information you glean about the Mormon temple and temple recommends from the internet (other than official LDS publications) is twisted. For example, I have held a temple recommend for the past 47 years, and for about 10 years was on Ed Decker’s “Ex-Mormons for Jesus” mailing list. I have made some small study of the scriptures of Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, and Taoism – searching for the truths they hold and different perspectives on the truths the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints holds. All of this was freely discussed with my bishops and stake leaders in temple recommend interviews, without any negative repercussions whatever that I am aware of. My wife and I have been ordained temple workers for the past 7 years.
ERROR 4. When prophets warn of misery, they mean eternal misery. This, I must opine, is patently bogus. The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost do not deal in eternal misery. The Telestial (farthest away) Kingdom of God “surpasses all understanding”. Even hell itself is designed by a loving God to be enjoyed by those who must “return [there] to their own place”, while the rest of us are saved from their predations forever. When one sees this, the question that arises is, “What kind of a God would send even the most vile, determinedly wicked souls (devils) to a place they could enjoy?”
Keep prayerfully digging. The answers are in the questions.
Repentance is required to gain admittance to the Telestial (Farthest Away) Kingdom of God:
“They have no part in the first resurrection and are not redeemed from the devil and his angels until the last resurrection, because of their wicked lives and their evil deeds. Nevertheless, even these are heirs of salvation, but before they are redeemed and enter into their kingdom, they must repent of their sins, and receive the gospel, and bow the knee, and acknowledge that Jesus is the Christ, the Redeemer of the world” (Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 2:22).
https://www.lds.org/manual/doctrines-of-the-gospel-student-manual/chapter-33-kingdoms-of-glory-and-perdition?lang=eng